Второй сезон подкаста о танце во время Катастрофы
и оптике на это уехавших и оставшихся художников.

В этом выпуске мы говорим с Марией Губановой -
танцовщицей, movement-дизайнером, web-дизайнером,
телесно ориентированным практиком и преподавателем.
В 2022 году Маша уехала из России и сейчас работает за ее пределами.

Можно ли быть честным художником во время Катастрофы
или честнее стать в это время дизайнером.
Норма сдвигается за ситуацией или ситуация за нормой.
Чтобы самим сдвинуться дальше, необходимо распаковать свои ментальные чемоданы
или напротив, держать их собранными и наготове.
Об этом и не только в четвертом выпуске второго сезона подкаста
‘Танцевать Нельзя Остановиться’

В первом сезоне в разговоре на двоих поднимались вопросы и темы,
возникшие в 2022 м году перед танцем и теми, кто его создаёт.
Во втором - мы зовем гостей, чтобы услышать их мнения, вопросы и рефлексию.

создатели: александр андрияшкин, александр любашин
техпомощь: женя поздеев

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